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Post by Cheddah_Cheez on Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:00 pm

The GC has it's own section now where the future of MG is going to be discussed and changes will be made. However, I also don't want non-GC members feeling left out at all or like they're being disregarded. So if ANYONE has a suggestion, post it here and I will make sure it gets spoken on by the GC, and I will update you on what everyone thinks about it. However...don't post something without the solution. That is, don't say "change the punt rule" or "change the advance period"...if you make a suggestion let me know what you want the change to be like.
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Post by mblammers on Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:04 pm

Is this for next year or for now?

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Post by Cheddah_Cheez on Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:45 pm

I don't think we're going to be making any changes that effect the game now. Everything we'd change would probably take effect with next year's game...maybe rule changes would be effective immediately
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Post by youngwattz on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:01 pm

sounds good
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Post by sam22smith on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:51 pm

I love the idea of the major league and minor league setup. Here are my thoughts about the subject:

1) Call it the MG Premier League - or something along those lines.

2) It should be run by the General Council with members each serving specific functions. For example: Deathwish will handle the data (stats and awards etc.) - Cheddah handles scheduling - FF is in charge of graphic design. But decisions of who is accepted into the premier league and who is booted etc. are all voted on and made by the GC. This will relieve the pressure of one guy running the Premier League and taking the incredible heat that would come with it.

3) The Premier league takes scheduling precedence over all other leagues. If you are in the premier league - get your games in a quickly as possible and no dumping games (giving CPU games for no reason).

4) We should start the first Premier league on or around Sep 1st - give everyone a couple weeks of playing and doing a couple drafts to get a feel for Madden 12 before the premier teams are drafted.

The question I have is this: I believe Deathwish and Cheddah have demonstrated the energy and determination that is crucial to the success of something like this. But would DW be willing to essentially turn his franchise into the MG franchise? Cheddah's franchise doesn't have the history of DW so I would assume he would be fine with giving up his own and devoting his attention to the Premier. But it may be more difficult for DW to give up his franchise in order to put that energy into the MG franchise.



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Post by Cheddah_Cheez on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:01 pm

sam22smith wrote:I love the idea of the major league and minor league setup. Here are my thoughts about the subject:

1) Call it the MG Premier League - or something along those lines.

2) It should be run by the General Council with members each serving specific functions. For example: Deathwish will handle the data (stats and awards etc.) - Cheddah handles scheduling - FF is in charge of graphic design. But decisions of who is accepted into the premier league and who is booted etc. are all voted on and made by the GC. This will relieve the pressure of one guy running the Premier League and taking the incredible heat that would come with it.

3) The Premier league takes scheduling precedence over all other leagues. If you are in the premier league - get your games in a quickly as possible and no dumping games (giving CPU games for no reason).

4) We should start the first Premier league on or around Sep 1st - give everyone a couple weeks of playing and doing a couple drafts to get a feel for Madden 12 before the premier teams are drafted.

The question I have is this: I believe Deathwish and Cheddah have demonstrated the energy and determination that is crucial to the success of something like this. But would DW be willing to essentially turn his franchise into the MG franchise? Cheddah's franchise doesn't have the history of DW so I would assume he would be fine with giving up his own and devoting his attention to the Premier. But it may be more difficult for DW to give up his franchise in order to put that energy into the MG franchise.




That's a cool idea bro. I don't think I'd be willing to give up my own franchise...I doubt DW would either. However, I'd def be willing to help out on a premier franchise and I'm sure DW and FF and mayb another GC guy or 2 would be willing to divy up tasks for one. I'll make sure I bring that up
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Post by GREENERRRR on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:07 pm

sam22smith wrote:
The question I have is this: I believe Deathwish and Cheddah have demonstrated the energy and determination that is crucial to the success of something like this. But would DW be willing to essentially turn his franchise into the MG franchise? Cheddah's franchise doesn't have the history of DW so I would assume he would be fine with giving up his own and devoting his attention to the Premier. But it may be more difficult for DW to give up his franchise in order to put that energy into the MG franchise.





really not sure what you requesting here... DW (and cheddah and all the other LGs) runs his LG within the MG - the have recruited all their players from the MG... i think that is plenty of contribution alone... i dont see why or any1 has to "give anything up" - idk - maybe i am missing what you are trying to communicate...
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Post by youngwattz on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:12 pm

This all cool and think will run smoothly with the righ ppl on the committee to help it out. But Im just wondering why not just have DW and Chz be the two premier lgs? History or not as we all can see they both have grown and have most of the hype right now and will when Madden 12 comes out IMO. So just keep them both as premier lgs. And as far as major and minor go, we could have either, one minor and 2 major lgs or just 1 of each and just leave the option open that if the MG grows alot more that we can open another minor or major and so on.
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Re: Make your suggestions

Post by sam22smith on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:20 pm

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sam22smith wrote:
The question I have is this: I believe Deathwish and Cheddah have demonstrated the energy and determination that is crucial to the success of something like this. But would DW be willing to essentially turn his franchise into the MG franchise? Cheddah's franchise doesn't have the history of DW so I would assume he would be fine with giving up his own and devoting his attention to the Premier. But it may be more difficult for DW to give up his franchise in order to put that energy into the MG franchise.





really not sure what you requesting here... DW (and cheddah and all the other LGs) runs his LG within the MG - the have recruited all their players from the MG... i think that is plenty of contribution alone... i dont see why or any1 has to "give anything up" - idk - maybe i am missing what you are trying to communicate...

Sorry - I wrote this from my phone while on the train and didn't explain everything thoroughly.

My question is this. Does Deathwish have time to devote to a franchise outside of his own? I guess it would be very limited if he does. Same with Cheddah. These are just questions I have. In my view - in order for a Premier league to be truly Premier - it must take precedence over all other leagues in terms of scheduling and making sure people play their games - and attention to details (awards etc.). DW and Cheddah have exhibited a certain tenacity in this particular arena. which is essential to a top notch Franchise.

But - I could see this happening for example: DW runs his own league how he always does - he puts huge time and effort into making sure people play their games, updating awards, stats - writing articles. He also has the job of being in charge of awards and stat upkeep in the Premier league - but the time and energy he has to commit to the Premier league will take a back seat to his own franchise where he is the sole owner of those things. But rightfully so because the members of the DW franchise are counting on him to make his usual effort. So at best - he is paying equal attention to both franchises (though his particular function within the Premier league would be only a part of the whole). BUT if anything falters on his part - the Premier league will suffer because he owes his energy firstly to his own Franchise. Then you could certainly have his franchise taking precedence over the Premier league - I do not know the history of the VIP league but that may be a live example of what I am foreseeing here.

So - now to GA's point. And this has been mentioned before - we just make DW and Cheddah franchises be the Premier Leagues next year. However, if my idea has merit - that the Premier leagues should be governed by the GC - and the name of the Franchises should have "Madden Group" in it - then DW will have to relinquish his franchise to the Group. Right now - he has the freedom to move his franchise some where else - it has a certain brand name and history. But if he would essentially be giving up his franchise brand to MG - if his is turned into a Premier league. Does he want to do that?

I believe the name of the "major leagues" must include Madden Group - it's a brand issue and it's a hugely important marketing feature.

So to sum it up:
1) DW and Cheddah are essential to the success of a Premier League.
2) If a Premier league is run separately from theirs - I suspect their leagues will naturally dominate the Premier League despite good intentions on everyones part.
3) So - would they be interested in turning their franchises into the Premier leagues? With the stipulation that Madden Group would need to be in the name - and the GC would play the governing role on franchise decisions.
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Post by falconfansince81 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:21 pm

well what you could do, is something like we had with our counter-strike leagues in how teams (players) were ranked. Premier and Main are both Major leagues, Intermediate and Open are the minor leagues.

P - Premier (this is the league(s) everyone should strive to be in and advances every 48 hours)
M - Main (next step below premier, has the 72 extension rule in effect)
IM - Intermediate (gives players that just came around last season a chance to step up to the majors)
O - Open (for new players and recruits, but open to any other members)

its just an idea, maybe other can roll some idea's off it. the idea is to rank up and work towards being in the top leagues, and hopefully keep people interested in something other than just playing open games...but its also fine if thats where they want to be.
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Post by mblammers on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:41 pm

1. Sam's last post brought up some very good points re branding. Too long to quote, but +1

2. I think we need to define what we mean by "premier", or at least what types of players we want in the "top tier". Are we talking about the most competitve players? Are we talking about the most SIM players? Are we talking about the most respectful/sportsmanlike players?

I AM IN NO WAY TALKING ABOUT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR, so if you think I mean you, I DON'T. The following is hypothetical...

Obviously if there are 32 guys that are really competitive, and perfectly SIM, and always respectful, that would be ideal, but...
You can be competitive without being sim.
You can be UN-SIM and be within the rules.
You can be sim and respectful and not be competitive.
You can be sim and competive and be a dick. etc. etc. etc.

I think we should decide and articulate what exactly it is we are looking for before we can successfully move ahead with a structure. Like any venture, I think we need to start at the top with a well thought out and articulated mission statement

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Post by GREENERRRR on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:42 pm

idk an idea of a "premier LG" - they way i kindof see it - CHZ and DW lg kind of fill this role already - and with the right committment and effort the rest of us commishes should strive to make our LGs just as successful - which i have no doubrt we can...

Besides there are enough LEGIT and COMMITTED players in the madden Group to support 6 quality LGs at a minimum (based on my rough head count and assuming these members average playing 3 LGs within the MG) - and this # is certainly going to increase - I have had a recruiting drive and i have 8 quality new guys - and i am certain 2 or 3 will be fit into the LEGIT and COMMITTED mold (but i didnt count them in my head count above) and i think we will get at minimum - just as many from the MLB the SHOW effect (similar to that of what happend n COD - see link below for thread with details)... I am positive that i will get 10-15 LEGIT and COMMITTED new players from the MLBTSG in August... and in the drive up to Madden 12 - with our increased profile/track record at the MG i bet we get 30 new members of which 7 or 8 will be LEGIT and COMMITTED type... There is no doubt that our numbers will grow - that i am 100% certain of - determining the level of that growth immediately has some congecture but we do have the benefit of 2 years experience going into Madden 12 and base estimates on this....

It is also worth noting that new members take a while to proove themselvbes to be LEGIT and COMMITTED - this is not a title a bestowed lightly to people in my head count - so even new players to the Group in August - it will take a few weeks to sort them out...

MLB the SHOW effect:

http://maddengroup.forumotions.net/t4104-here-is-a-thought-maybe-the-show-will-be-like-cod


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Post by sam22smith on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:07 pm

Green - how I see it. A premier league or two with "Madden Group" in the name would be a great marketing tool for the organization. After all - our product is the franchise - we should strive to have the most kick ass product possible.

As for details of the league/s - well those need to be discussed.

Yes - every commissioner should strive to run the best franchise they can. But as you said - DW and and Cheddah already fill this role of premier franchises. Other franchises naturally serve as breeding grounds for people coming in - you need those types of franchises - those types of franchises can never be the premier product that is DW and Cheddah - it's just not possible nor should we try to pretend they are.

But - I believe the best franchises should be branded and run by the MG - I believe this is in the best interest of the community. And it is essential to help grow and strengthen the group.
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Post by GREENERRRR on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:14 pm

i see what youyr sayn (i think)- so the Premier LGs would be run by a committe of commishes? - and the other individual lgs we have (DW chedah - kight surf etc) would run as Major franchises???

if tahts what u are sayn - i get it - and i think it has some promise...

and your right about branding - clearly the Madden Group as an entity has value and maximizing that resource is an absolute must...


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Post by saastar on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:16 pm

yeah im with greenerrr.. i dont know about the whole thing of just 2 premier lgs.. and having others as so called minor lgs.. so that would mean ur saying greenerrr franchise and mjkight franchise would just be tier 2 franchises and nothing more?? i dont think we should do that.. bc if ur saying that then only 32 people can be in those franchises and more then likely both lgs will have the same 32 people in it.. meaning the other quality mg owners have to just stay in mjkight and greenerrr lg and they be called minor compared to cheddah and dw lg.. i say we should have all 4 lgs as top lgs...

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Post by sam22smith on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:20 pm

GREENERRRR wrote:i see what youyr sayn (i think)- so the Premier LGs would be run by a committe of commishes? - and the other individual lgs we have (DW chedah - kight surf etc) would run as Major franchises???

if tahts what u are sayn - i get it - and i think it has some promise...

and you right about branding - clearly the Madden Group as an entity has value and maximizing that resource is an absolute must...

Yeah - or DW and Cheddah become the Premier Leagues - but they hand over some responsibilities to the GC - like a vote needs to be done if someone is going to be booted from the franchise - also membership of the franchise is chosen by the GC. DW and Cheddah have the honor of being President of the leagues - but they cease to Kings. And they will have active support from the other GC memebers. And also - Madden Group must be somewhere in the Franchise name, very important brand and marketing characteristic.

Madden Group Deathwish - Premier League
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Post by Cheddah_Cheez on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:32 pm

This is a great topic btw...what genius created this... Laughing

But to answer some questions:

1. I have no problem putting MG or Madden Group in my league name to support the branding or labeling movement.

2. I would NEVER, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES relinquish control of my own personal league to the GC. I'm sorry, but if I'm doing all the work, I'm making all the decisions. Period.

3. I would do my part in a GC run league. That is, if I was assigned a specific task to do in that league (say awards n stats) I would make sure I got those done before the duties of my own league. Having to only do one task for a franchise is not a big deal to me, so I could easily get that done before the tasks I had to do for my league.

4. I'd have no problem with a GC run league taking precedence over all other leagues. However, I think games should be prioritized based on the advancement of leagues. So if my advance was tonight, and the GC advance was tomorrow, I'd expect priority for my game. However if my advance was tonight and so was the GC's then I'd have no problem with them playing the GC game first.

5. I can only speak for myself on this one. But I like a mix of guys in my league. Primarily I want a bunch of good guys who are reliable. That is, I want nice guys, who I know will play their games, be competitive, actively post on the forums (not just trade block), and generally have fun with it beyond winning and losing. Then I want guys who not only play by the rules, but play SIM...as in doing things that you regularly see on Sundays. Then I want competitive guys. The best leagues usually have strong competition. In that order. As of right now, I'll be the first to say my league doesn't fit that mold. Guys play their games and follow the rules but aren't being active enough. But I'm looking to trim the fat between now and Madden 12.

6. I like FF's structuring idea
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Post by BiLlDoZeR_27 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:42 pm

Hey don't be Makin fun of me
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Post by GREENERRRR on Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:03 pm

Cheddah_Cheez wrote:

4. I'd have no problem with a GC run league taking precedence over all other leagues. However, I think games should be prioritized based on the advancement of leagues. So if my advance was tonight, and the GC advance was tomorrow, I'd expect priority for my game. However if my advance was tonight and so was the GC's then I'd have no problem with them playing the GC game first.




this makes perfect sens is exactly how i prioritize playing mygames in the 6 LGs i play in,...
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