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Post by GREENERRRR on Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:19 pm

95% of the players i have played thus far (if i dont make sure they know the KR descibed belwo is BS) TRIES TO RUN THIS RETURN...

its 100% bogus and the fact that EVERY1 IS TRYN TO COPY IT IS JUST FURTHUR PROOF OF HOW BS IT IS!

The glitch kick needs a name - form this point we will refer to its as the INSIDE OUT RETURN (IOR)

At 1st glance you would think this return would go no where - IT BREACHES FUNDEMENTAL FOOTBALL - what he does is angle away from his called sdeline return for the 1st dozen steps (towards the middle of the field) -THE RETURNER THAN REVERSES HIS FIELD AND RUNS PARALLELL TO THE LINE OF SCRIMAGE to the out-side (sometimes slightly backwards) FOR 6-8 STEPS - for whatever reason the AI of the coverage team - runs with an angle of pursuit to attack his initial first 12 steps (because he does such an abrupt change to his return angle, all the coverage guys are not in place to make a play) This gives sometimes a CLEAR PATH to the end zone - due to the clear breakdown in discipline by the coverage team...
I can here my HIGH SCHOOL SPECIAL TEAMS coach still yelling "STAY IN YOUR LANES" - not sure why such a simple concept cant be captured bt the Madden Kickoff coverage teams!

the fact that player DO THIS ACTION EVERY SINGLE RETURN - regardless if they had no success in previous returns (in that game) is SUSPICOUS - THE REASON THEY DONT GIVE UP ON THE RETURN IS THEY KNOW EVENTUALLY THEY WILL BUST A BIG RETURN...

I wouldnt complain about IOR IF IT DIDNT RESULT IN OVERLY HUGE AMOUNTS OF BIG RETURN - but the fact is IT DOES!!! and just because some1 did vs you - DOESNT GIVE YOU A LICENSE TO DO IT VS SOME1 ELSE... - u should get no more than 4-5 KR for TD in an entire season - guys are gettn multiple KR in a game and are scoring every other game!!!

Nobody has complained when i tell them that the return is BS - its just another INDICATOR THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THIS.../ so lets finalize this ASAP - Governing Council -= pls vote on this - so we can get this rule on the books...

This is juist a huge NO BRAINER it should be an automatic rule - but out of respect for the process we shall vote...

btw - IF YOU VOTE NAH - u better explain why u believe this return (AND THE FREQUENCY OF HUGE KR IT BRINGS) as being LEGIT! - a simple NAH answer is not sufficient...

propsed rule addition:

the IOR return is prohibited! - yha or nah?


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Post by GREENERRRR on Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:23 pm

obviously my voite is yah
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Post by johnnylagz17 on Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:30 pm

Im undecided on this ...

on a kr how can you prove they meant to do this ? or if it was impulsive..

how about if they do it twice ..?

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Post by GREENERRRR on Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:36 pm

johnnylagz17 wrote:Im undecided on this ...

on a kr how can you prove they meant to do this ? or if it was impulsive..

how about if they do it twice ..?


yoyu can easily see that the IOR is PRE-PLANNED... the returner does exactly what i describe!

btw - just looked it up - the most KR for a TD in a season is 4 - and that is 40+ year old record - we will breach that record EASILY IN MULTIPLE FRANCISES - that in itself is another reason why this is a BS return...

and by your question - "what if they do it twice?" do you really thinks its fair to allow 2 bs returns until we say something? - 1 IOR can change the game...

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Post by johnnylagz17 on Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:40 pm

..well probably break alot of records in these leagues bro.. not a good example for your arguement no offense..


as for the kick if it's obvious than yes I agree

b/c i kno i just run away from ppl on krs lol n sometimes that means swinging from 1 side of the field to the other n then cutting back to avoid a tackle... always running forward or slanted across the field never straight like on the 20 yard line left side to the 20 yard line right side ..

n I've only scored 1 kr n usually get stuffed around the 20 but with a good kr and a broken tackle it usually looks like 1 more move n i had a td instead of the 25 lol

.. am i cheating?
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Post by tomer629 on Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:09 pm

dont really know what this return is cause I always pick middle return, always have for the last 3 years of madden lol. I get my share of KR TDs.

I personally think that people dropping back 15+ yds behind the LOS on passes is a much bigger issue, and just as unrealistic. Makes it pointless to blitz cause by the time your guys get past the blockers and 15 yds into the backfield someone is always wide open.

show me one video of an NFL qb dropping back 15 yds behind the LOS

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Post by johnnylagz17 on Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:12 pm

good point pass in this game is getting ridiculous for cheesers ..

drop back..run ..throw deep in the air.. take control of wr ..run user catch .. td ( speed or tall wr) ( speed or scrambling qb who can throw on run like rothlesberger)


hate it soo fn much or they run all the way to the side then throw to the other

Ill admit i do the run to the side...when I am running for my life!! lol but they do it to beat the coverage .. ur qb runs to the right ur cbs lean towards that ..

stay in the fn pocket unless pressured out ! ..
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Post by Cheddah_Cheez on Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:24 pm

I think the IOR should be outlawed, and so should the 15yd drop back
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Post by Mos3ttiKid22 on Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:36 pm

Nope for me, not one point in the return do u go backwards???? ( that makes no sense ) and i found the exact same return on youtube!!! message me if ya want it, not a cheez unless Ted Ginn cheated last year on returns?
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Post by ThePlague0208 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:41 am

prohibitted. Im all in favor of just letting the cpu control the kick return until ea fixes kickoffs
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Post by bigbuddah on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:55 am

if its that repetitive and obvious then i guess there needs to be a rule on not doing that.

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Post by falconfansince81 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:48 am

ThePlague0208 wrote:prohibitted. Im all in favor of just letting the cpu control the kick return until ea fixes kickoffs

have you ever looked at kick return coverage in this game? its a joke, and probably demonstrates the lack of football fundamentals more than anything else this year.

i've only returned maybe 3 td's, and it was just cause there was a seam or i spun out of an animation while the rest of the kickoff coverage proceeded to go into tumbleweed animations all around me. i guess you could make a rule to just not run lateral on kickoffs, get the ball and head up field. i like returning kicks, i even have a draft slot reserved for kick return specialists. i'd hate to see a rule that says we can no longer return kicks.

we just gotta face facts, this game is so far from simulating real football fundamentals you could really ban crossing routes and slants since db's don't know how to play the coverage. its just one thing after another, and its not you greener...its the game itself that lacks on the field attention to detail.

this is why kickoff returns, and essentially the core of madden gameplay is atrocious once again. can we start a 2k5 league? lol

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Post by johnnylagz17 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:21 pm

that video is sad

even nfl fever was better

heck at least in blitz they tell you hey its all over the top .. but 1 guy can still make a tackle at least ..and 3 will literally kill u lol ( or 1 will bash ur skull with ur own helmet till u collapse haha)

..maddens sad n EA doesnt care
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Post by falconfansince81 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:13 pm

yeah bro it exposes the ugly truth we pay all this money for, and blitz is freakin sick dude. and you know what? it has CONSECUTIVE HIT TACKLES.

people knock backbreaker all the time too, but those games actually represent football a lot better than madden does in certain aspects. actually, i don't even know what madden does good anymore...i want sim football more than anything, but its hard to have when you get this garbage.
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Post by johnnylagz17 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:16 pm

blitz is great for me b/c i love rpgs as well so the whole new teams storyline players n mocking the nfl players like pacman and mike vick ( and Im a vick fan lol)

and the idea of actualy making tackles or breaking them based on the players and so on instead of ..well luck really thats all madden is to me


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Post by GREENERRRR on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:11 pm

tomer629 wrote:dont really know what this return is cause I always pick middle return, always have for the last 3 years of madden lol. I get my share of KR TDs.

I personally think that people dropping back 15+ yds behind the LOS on passes is a much bigger issue, and just as unrealistic. Makes it pointless to blitz cause by the time your guys get past the blockers and 15 yds into the backfield someone is always wide open.

show me one video of an NFL qb dropping back 15 yds behind the LOS


my brother - a rule regarding what u described was priposed 2 weeks ago... (look at the Governing COuncil Section) - i would suggest you putting a lil messgae in that thread indicating the concerns you have regarding UNRELISTIC QB DROP BACK AND SPRINT OUTS - to help ensure the rule is ratified...
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Post by GREENERRRR on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:14 pm

Mos3ttiKid22 wrote:Nope for me, not one point in the return do u go backwards???? ( that makes no sense ) and i found the exact same return on youtube!!! message me if ya want it, not a cheez unless Ted Ginn cheated last year on returns?

how am i not surprised that you would chime in against this - HOW TYPICAL AND PREDICATBLE OF YOU... i guess turninbg over a new leaf is not high on your prioritty list...

FYI - mos3kid - was the 1st person to introduce this BOGUS IOR to me - WHEN HE RAN 2 IOR BACK FOR A TD - (winning him the game)...
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Post by ezweightloss on Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:10 am

i'm completely undecided on this, because yes some people use bs returns. but people like myself like to use cutback lanes. and like i previously stated krs like dante hall, devin hester, ted ginn, do run backwards, side to side etc. to gain as many possible yards

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Post by JDB721 on Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:23 am

ezweightloss wrote:i'm completely undecided on this, because yes some people use bs returns. but people like myself like to use cutback lanes. and like i previously stated krs like dante hall, devin hester, ted ginn, do run backwards, side to side etc. to gain as many possible yards

I understand where you are coming from but there's such things as using cut back lanes and there's tricking the AI with an inside outside run. Iivan18 did it to me yesterday. It's not sim. It's for people who are desperate lol
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Post by Ace1129 on Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:11 pm

What i want to know is how many games have ppl lost over it? Is this as much of a problem as some are making it?? I dunno i have watched nfl for 20+ years and i have seen plenty of kick returns that the returner goes inside outside. JMO make it so everyone has to take a touchback if the kick goes in the endzone, if it doesnt then i think it should be fair game.Just have good kicks and your problem is solved!

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Post by bigbuddah on Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:58 pm

The difference is its a video. In real football they stay in there lanes on kickoff so most the time those cut back runs don't go anywhere. Devin hester us speciall they don't cut all the way across the field on EVERY kickoff return. That's the big deal about this return is that its set up and ran the exact same way every time. There is a difference if u follow ur blocks and see a lane but not the same way every time.

I think a rule should be if the ball is kicked in the endzone and tye second returner wants u to stay in the endzone u must do it. Not sure if any other rule can be made because its a procedure thing caus say well no cut backs or what ever on kickoffs...idk maybe when the patch comes out it will be better

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Post by GREENERRRR on Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:07 pm

ezweightloss wrote:i'm completely undecided on this, because yes some people use bs returns. but people like myself like to use cutback lanes. and like i previously stated krs like dante hall, devin hester, ted ginn, do run backwards, side to side etc. to gain as many possible yards


bro - CUTBACK LANES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT - the IOR IS 100% PRE-PLANNED - and they do the return CONSISTANTLY - there is nothing SPONTANIOUS about the IOR at all...
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Post by GREENERRRR on Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:16 pm

Ace1129 wrote:What i want to know is how many games have ppl lost over it? Is this as much of a problem as some are making it?? I dunno i have watched nfl for 20+ years and i have seen plenty of kick returns that the returner goes inside outside. JMO make it so everyone has to take a touchback if the kick goes in the endzone, if it doesnt then i think it should be fair game.Just have good kicks and your problem is solved!

my friend - its not how thios return GOES TO THE OUTSIDE - its how the IOR manipulates the coverage team - the first dozen steps are angling to the middle of the field (and away from sideline return) it forces the coverage team in a new angle of pursuit to make a play on the returner based on this initial angle - THAN THE SUDDEN AND PROPOSTEROUS CHANGE IN RETURN ANGLE TO PARALELL THE LINE OF SCRIMAGE (and i have even some players go slightly backwards) ALLOWS THE IOR THE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE - the coverage team CANNOT ADJUST THEIR ANGLE OF PURSUIT QUICK ENOUGH (to account for the abrupt change in direction) and sometimes the IOR doesnt even have to beat 1 defender - he can just run paralell to the line of scrimage and when he is outside the coverage TURN IT UPFIELD FOR THE TD (or huge gain)...

if the coverage team adjusted like they should - the IOR should be a negetive return - FOOTBALL 101 SAYS RUN NORTH / SOUTH - and this return has significant portion of the return running EAST / WEST... this is why its against SIM football... sure you can find the odd highlight in the NFL that shows a similar path to the end zone - BUT THERE WOULD NEVER BE THE CONSISTANT HUGE GAINERS LIKE THEIR ARE IN THE IOR - if you have a SPD returner (with a high return rating) and practiced the IOR - u could count on a BIG RETURN EVERY 4 TRIES... thats rediculous
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Post by bigbuddah on Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:43 pm

GREENERRRR wrote:bro - CUTBACK LANES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT - the IOR IS 100% PRE-PLANNED - and they do the return CONSISTANTLY - there is nothing SPONTANIOUS about the IOR at all...

And that'd my issue with it right there

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